All-Star Batman and Robin #5 delays end

According to the updated shipping list provided by Diamond Comic Distributors, All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder #5, which had already been resolicited to ship July 12 from its original April 19 scheduled ship date, has been rescheduled to Aug. 16.

The fourth issue of the series, written by Frank Miller and illustrated by Jim Lee, shipped May 17, after originally being scheduled to ship March 1.

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68 Responses to All-Star Batman and Robin #5 delays end

  1. Paul Zuckerman says:

    Nice picture of Wonder Woman.
    But is anyone else disappointed by this series? The first couple of issues were just brutal–and that includes Batman’s treatment of Dick Grayson. Changing the origin so that Batman is actually recruiting Dick-pushing him every step of the way, vs. Dick’s desire to join with Batman on his own–actually is kind of creepy. And makes one wonder about Batman’s motivations. Maybe Dr. Wertham was right.
    The whole series seems to be sex and sadism–with page after page of female pin-ups (which I may enjoy looking at, but does little for the storyline, and, the women are not always in character) and endless violence.
    Or am I just being too critical?

  2. claymore1745 says:

    I dropped this series after reading issue three. Just because it’s all star creators on an all star character doesn’t make it good. I agree that the art is nice but the story is not very good. I agree with your criticisms, though many would agrue that this is a re-envisioning of the character. It simply is one I don’t like.

  3. William Gatevackes says:

    Oh, I am very much disappointed in the series. You can tell by my review of it here.

    I am still getting the series however, because A) I am a completist and B) so I can laugh at it.

    The end of issue three showed Robin on a milk carton with Superman holding said carton, eyes glowing. You get the impression that Supes is going to come after Batman. Issue 4 opens with Batman and Dick Grayson just getting to the Batcave (making it hard to believe that and Superman not only not coming after them, but instead running a fool’s errand for Bats. What happened between issues!?! You’d think an editor would pick up that continuity error, which leads me to believe nobody is editing Miller at all.

    Bill

  4. grasshoppa says:

    this series is so bad, dc should have to refund everyones money paid for 1-4 and 5 should never be published. also miller and lee should forfeit their pay. this series is as bad as all-star superman is well done.

  5. Gary Dunaier says:

    I guess I’m one of the few people who actually seem to like the title.

    It’s an interesting look at the character. I guess I’m seeing it not as “the” Batman, but “a” Batman… an alternate universe version.

    I could do without some of the gratuitous cheesecake shots… that Black Canary sequence didn’t do anything to advance the story… but I’m looking forward to seeing how this Batman and Robin relationship will develop.

  6. WalterLoydLilly says:

    …Me too , Gary !!!!!!!!!
    Also , I gotta admit that that six-plex spread in #4 was neetokeeno…

  7. WalterLoydLilly says:

    …However , is this All-Star comic happening in even the same world , never mind the same time , as AS SUPERMAN ?

  8. Michael Tierney says:

    Nope.

    This is the Frank Miller version of DC… where Superman can’t fly. He can only run across the oceans and leap tall buildings with a single bound.

  9. Paul Zuckerman says:

    Finally read #4. Miller continues to depict Superman as a clown, and Batman’s behavior and attitudes continues to be reprehensible. And out of character–asking Dick “Is this cool or what?” when Dick gets his first sight of the Batcave sounds more like Wolverine than Batman ever has. Why has Batman had his eye on Dick? Why is he recruiting kids? The queesy factor continues.
    The only character that is respected by Miller-and is likeable- is Alfred. The Batman TV show may have saddled comics with Pow! Zap! and Zowie! for years, but it forced DC to return Alfred to the land of the living and we can all be thankful ever more for that!

  10. walking man comics says:

    I used to side with the this-stinks crowd, but I pre-order stuff, so I had issue four in the offing before I’d had a chance to cancel the title. But alas, guess what?

    whenever I came to that multi-page fold-out of the bat-cave I just had to laugh. This series is SO over-the-top in all ways it’s laughable, (in a positive sense). I mean…. how many pages (6?) was that bat-cave fold-out? At least two too extra. At LEAST two too extra! & I think that, maybe, is the point. Everything is way, way out there. So ok; what a surprise, they’re gonna be late with #5. It’s a six-page fold-out of time, is all. Sigh.

    I do wish they’d done something different; but then, Frank Miller’s DONE “year one”, and “DK Returns”. & did them really really to my liking. & this…. sigh, well this, might just turn out to be a big horse-laugh all the way down.

    Let’s hope I’m right, eh.
    Matt

  11. thutson says:

    Is number five delayed because it’s convention season and Miller will be swilling Corona until the fall?

    Miller appeared to be drunk at Wonder Con during an autograph session. His “autograph” was a line on the fans’ comics. Several disappointed fans made comments such as, “I could’ve ruined my comic myself.”

    Why doesn’t CBG report information such as this?

  12. Michael Tierney says:

    I’ve seen Frank Miller drink several times, but I’ve never seen him falling down drunk.

    It was a weird moment one time when the waitress came around and took our drink orders, and I realized that I was talking with Frank Miller and had just ordered a Miller Lite.

    If I had to guess, I’d speculate that working on the script for Sin City II diverted Frank from his comics work. And wouldn’t you know that as soon as it was reported he’d turned in the script… the movie was pushed back a year.

  13. WalterLoydLilly says:

    …A belated thank you , Michael .
    I sowwy I was late in answering . That drat cat !!!!!!!!!

  14. thutson says:

    I’m glad you had positive exposure to Miller, Michael. On more than one occasion, I’ve seen him slobbering drunk, swilling Corona like water and requiring the help of at least two people to get him out of the public’s sight.

    I’d wager Miller’s Hollywood work is a very good reason some of the delays, but not *the* reason.

    I’d also wager Miller is going Hollywood in spite of comics, not because of them.

  15. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    MOD: Second Thutson post deleted due to gratuitous insult.

  16. calliopes says:

    At this rate the series will be done by 2009. That is if the rest of the issues actually ever make it out.

  17. thutson says:

    Brent, please e-mail me and let me know what my gratuitous insult was.

    I’d like to avoid such a thing in the future. I did not realize anything I had written was gratuitous or insulting.

    Thank you.

  18. scarab says:

    If it never comes out, it’ll be a blessing. And I didn’t enjoy DK2 and defended Miller when everyone was ripping him. Horrible book.

  19. Michael Tierney says:

    When it’s mentioned about ‘the rest of the series coming out’, to my knowledge DC has never specified the exact length of this series.

    When I asked DC how long All-Star Batman and Robin will run, I was told that they will publish it for as long as Miller and Lee want to do it.
    No further specifics were given.

    Of course, that information could have changed as time goes by.

  20. Paul Zuckerman says:

    One hopes that they will at least finish the story, which at the rate they are going, may be some time in the next millenium. For that matter, if they ever get to the plot, might be sometime then as well…

  21. claymore1745 says:

    I stopped buying this book so I cannot add anything new to this discussion. However, I do have a question regarding sales. How is the book doing in comparison to it’s earliest issues? Just curios how far it has fallen from it’s first issue. I know that there is often a wide gap between retailer orders and actual sales.

  22. Michael Tierney says:

    Without getting into my records, I can confirm that lateness is hurting sales. Lateness kills sales on any book, regardless of who the creative team is.

    The only good thing is that DC made the late comics returnable. And I have returned sizeable amounts.

    Those return numbers won’t be reflected anywhere. So the true effect of lateness won’t manifest itself until #5 is resolicited.

  23. henrycovert says:

    MOD: Second Thutson post deleted due to gratuitous insult.

    thanx. you should see him “having fun” over on usenet where’s really a joy to be around…..

  24. henrycovert says:

    ASB&R is absolutely wretched IMO. All-Star Superman, however, just keeps getting better & better each issue…

    Henry Covert

  25. henrycovert says:

    >you should see him “having fun” over on usenet where’s really a joy to be around…..

    sorry.
    i meant: “where he’s usually a joy”, etc…

    lack of sleep in prepping for Comic-Con’s got me a bit dyslexic…

  26. bastion says:

    The book, itself is laughable(but somewhat realistic) and the shipping /release dates are horrible. What isssues is due out next?

  27. thermal34 says:

    Nothing is more frustrating than a series like this. Late, late, late!!! When publishers and creators sign contracts and make agreements do they even consider scheduling. Are they working on other projects? Can they dedicate all thier time to this? Short of personal emergencies, there is no acceptable reason for late books. It costs other people time, money and resources. I wonder, are they being paid on time, or are they paid as the work is completed? It’s rude, whether on the part of the creator or the publisher and I will respond with my money by not purchasing the series any longer. I did the same thing with the current Iron Man series. Who is running the show? Seems more like an eighteen-wheeler on black ice if you ask me.

  28. thutson says:

    Henry Covert wrote:
    >you should see him “having fun” over on usenet where’s really a joy to be around…..

    sorry.
    i meant: “where he’s usually a joy”, etc…

    Brent,
    I don’t know anyone named Henry Covert. Why do allow him to gratutitously insult me on this forum after you removed a post from me for a ‘gratuitous insult’ of Frank Miller?

  29. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    MOD: Thutson asked for a gratutitous insult from henrycovert to be removed from this thread and I have complied with that request. C’mon guys, no need to discuss others’ online habits, especially on other boards, here.

    And, Tom, sorry for not getting to this sooner. Chalk it up to pre-San Diego madness.

  30. thutson says:

    Thanks, Brent. I appreciate the effort.

    I hope you have a great time at SDCC!

  31. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    And, now, back to our regularly scheduled rescheduling with the update that All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder #5, which had been re-rescheduled for late August, is now delayed until September 27.

    As an aside, I found the promotional poster for the series the other day that said the title was scheduled to begin in July 2005.

  32. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    The latest updates indicate that orders for All-Star Batman & Robin #5 have been canceled and the series will be resolicited in September for a November release.

  33. jackmurphy1969 says:

    This is beyond stupid! If Miller and/or Lee are too busy with other projects to produce a book every five or six months, they should be taken off the book. This is supposed to be a top tier MONTHLY book, not a vanity project that comes out when ever.

  34. claymore1745 says:

    Hi Brent,

    I wonder if this is the perfect opportunity to see how lateness impacts sales? Are the order numbers available for issue five even though it was never shipped? If so I’d love to see what they were versus what they become when the issue is resolicited. I don’t know if it is at all possible to obtain that information but it would be proof positive about the impact of late shipment on the sale of this title.

    Thanks,

  35. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    The latest update from Diamond shows All Star Batman and Robin #5 scheduled to ship Nov. 29. It doesn’t appear to be a resolicitation yet, although #6 was resolicited in August for shipping later this year.

  36. claymore1745 says:

    I just thumbed through Previews and noticed #5 is now being resolicited. Is there any way to find out what the initial orders were before it was resolicited?

  37. calliopes says:

    I can add this much as far as ordering numbers go, I reduced my order from 30 copies down to just 2 based on the number of people that dropped the title. It was nice of Jim Lee to take full blame for the lateness in the interview Wizard had with him.

  38. WalterLoydLilly says:

    …To be honest , I think that it’s worth it , though I do , of course , empathize with the dealers .

  39. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    MOD: Edited Walter’s post to “empathize” with the retailers, rather than “emphasize.”

    Although, emphasize might be the appropriate term, here …

  40. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    And, as reflected by the headline change, All-Star Batman and Robin #5 has now been rescheduled from its Nov. 29, 2006 shipping date to Jan. 24, 2007.

    As noted earlier in the thread, the last issue of the series shipped May 17, 2006.

  41. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    The deceased equine flogging continues with the latest shipping update for All-Star Batman and Robin #5 now showing the book closing in on becoming an annual with a scheduled shipping date of Feb. 7, 2007.

    Shipping delays have also begun to catch All Star Superman with #6 rescheduled from its originally planned September release to January 4, 2007 and #7 rescheduled from its Dec. 20 release date to Feb. 14, 2007.

  42. dblanchard says:

    Let’s be generous and assume three issues of ALL-STAR BATS (including # 5) are published in 2007. How many copies of each would DC have to sell to make it a better idea to keep Miller and Lee on the book, rather than to put a more reliable team on the book who might have less name recognition but could produce 12 issues in a year’s time?

    Consider also that in one year’s time, DC would have two 6-issue TPBs to sell to the marketplace, whereas if they stick with their current team, it’ll take them an average of two to three years to produce enough content for a single TPB. That’s like stuffing your pockets with money knowing you’ve got a huge hole in your pants and you’ll never actually get a chance to spend that money.

    Every month without an issue costs DC — and retailers — money.

    Every six-nine months without a TPB costs DC — and retailers — even more money.

    If the idea here is to sell comic books (and if that’s NOT the idea, then we need to be told that ASAP), then I’m wondering why DC doesn’t just buy out Miller’s and/or Lee’s contract, and let somebody else do ALL-STAR BATS? Because right now, there can’t be a fan or a retailer left who is happy with the current situation.

    Dave Blanchard

  43. WLLilly says:

    …Point taken , but I enjoy AS BATS , and I doubt a new team would do it , certainly with the already-established storyline , any better .
    It’s an amusing circumstance , anyhow…

  44. WLLilly says:

    …Another point…If I haven;t said this already , Frank , a free suggestion…An All-Star Aunt Harriet , this time from Dick’s side , a 30ish to early 40s againg punker/”alternative ” type who joined the circus/carny world (marrying a Grayson) , who is summosed/shows up both to help Dick and to rest/chill/hide out a bit…Her tatoos are fading and her piercings are getting loose…

  45. Gary Dunaier says:

    That’s about how long it takes for ‘em to publish a new issue!

  46. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    And, while it was resolicited in September for a November 2006 shipping date, my prediction is coming closer to being true with All Star Batman and Robin #5 moving from its Feb. 7, 2007 rescheduled date to April 4, 2007.

  47. William Gatevackes says:

    Wow.

    I can’t wait to ask my grandchildren how the issue was, because I’ll probably be 90 when it finally comes out.

    Bill

  48. claymore1745 says:

    After skimming over the most recent issue of CBG to arrive in the mail I could not help but notice that several retailers registered their complaints over late shipping books. I can confirm for them that I am very much one of those customers who tend to drop a book when the wait gets to be too long. I order about forty books each month and enjoy reading immensly. What tends to happen is the out of sight, out of mind thing hits. If I cannot recall what happened last issue I doubt I’ll be ordering the next one when it is relisted for the fifth time, nine months after I read the previous issue. Too much good stuff out there to bother with things that can’t find their way to the shelves.

    P.S. William, the grandchild comment is a classic!

  49. Gary Dunaier says:

    Betcha I can top that! Dig this:

    CitiField will be a decrepit, decaying relic long before #5 finally comes out.

    I guess it helps if you know that CitiField is the Mets’ new ballpark, scheduled to open in 2009.

    So when I invoke a facility that hasn’t even been built yet in the context of the present discussion, then that’s gotta be…

    well…

    y’know…

  50. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    In its Direct Channel e-mail Feb. 13, DC made my prediction of the series going to annual status come true with the announcement that:

    “Orders for All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder #5 have been canceled. This issue will be resolicited in the March Previews with a new in-store date of May 16.”

    All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder #4 shipped May 17, 2006. If #5 sticks to its latest ship date, it won’t be late (for an annual).

  51. Chuck Fiala says:

    The original issues are getting so old that it might become worthwhile to make it a reprint annual.

  52. William Gatevackes says:

    Hey! Don’t laugh! These last couple threads won’t be as funny two years from now when Brent tells us issue #5 will be rescheduled AGAIN!

  53. Lee Houston, Junior says:

    At the rate this is going, I wonder if issue 5 will come out before a store’s overstock on the previous issues appears in their bargin boxes?

  54. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    Unless it’s rescheduled at the last minute, All-Star Batman & Robin #5 is still on course to ship next Wednesday, May 16, just 364 days after #4 shipped in 2006.

  55. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    Is it just me or has this thread taken on a life not unlike that of the Abe Vigoda is still alive website?

  56. Gary Dunaier says:

    Well, in professional sports, the various All-Star games are only played once a year… this is, after all, All-Star Batman and Robin

  57. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    The latest Diamond Dateline has arrived and there’s no rescheduling notice for All-Star Batman & Robin #5 at this point. Fingers crossed for that May 16 ship date.

  58. William Gatevackes says:

    Wow. I mean, wow. I never thought I’d see this day.

    I wonder how long we’ll have to wait for #6?

  59. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    Over at this site, Lee posted the rough pencils for #5, #6, and #7.

    He also posted a ship date of July 25 for #6 and September for #7.

    (And, yes, before the other jokers get to it, he didn’t note what year either of those later issues would ship.)

  60. bergdoll says:

    I’ve dropped this series completely. If they ever get it together, I’ll just buy the hardcover. I can’t remember what happened in issues 1-4 anyhow…

  61. Brent Frankenhoff says:

    Since we’ve had such sport with this particular rescheduling debacle, I felt it only fair to change the headline on the thread tonight after picking up my copy of the issue at the local shop.

    Here’s the actual cover to prove that as the red M&M said in the Christmas commercial (well, paraphrased anyway), “It does exist!”

    So, now that it’s available (and with requisite Spoiler Warnings activated), what did you think of it?

  62. Comcman says:

    I expected more after a year’s wait. And like the other issues, Lee is really taking up a lot of space with splash pages. It is only half an issue because of the use of single and double page spreads. If this was a monthly and the story was actually moving forward, I wouldn’t mind, but for an annual, there should have been more story.

  63. johnread3 says:

    I was sneaky: I read the issue without buying it. Thank goodness. I’m a fan of both Miller and Lee (his artwork on this is incredible), but I find myself wishing the All-Star Wonder Woman would get her wish as regards the handling of this particular Bat-Man. Miller is writing this version of a character he’s shown respect for in the past as if he wants us to hate this Batman. The character seems more like The Midnighter than The Dark Knight.

  64. Gary Dunaier says:

    I was brought up on the Adam West Batman and the Batman of the late 1970s, and I enjoy the concept of a “friendly neighborhood Batman,” so to speak (bear with me; it was Spider-Man Week here in New York a couple of weeks ago).

    But when it comes to the Bat-Man presented in All-Star Batman and Robin, I’m getting a completely different “read” on this version. (“Bat-Man” somehow seems a more appropriate spelling for this character.)

    The vibe I get, and I’m sure I’m in the minority on this one, is that this version somehow rings true. Kid loses his parents at an early age, decides to devote his life to avenging them, yes, I think he’d be fanatical about it to the extent that the Bat-Man is shown in the All-Star Batman and Robin series.

    I’d even go so far as to say that I think this Bat-Man is closer to the Detective Comics #27 version, than any other.

    Regarding issue #5 specifically, I do agree with Comcman that there were too many splash pages and double-page spreads. Maybe they’ll “read” better in the trade paperback, but as single issues of a periodical (I loathe the terms “floppy” and “pamphlet”), not so well.

  65. Gary Dunaier says:

    (edited to remove duplicate post)

  66. William Gatevackes says:

    I get my books at the end of the month, but I have this to say about what I read here: Splash pages and double page spreads? In All-Star Batman? How could this be?

  67. walking man comics says:

    ah well. I’ve come around to quite liking this. It’s fun. It’s sort of “Batman: Year Five or So.” JLA just getting started, with purpose to police superheroes themselves…and job-one– get that Bat-man. All Gotham’s corrupt. Bruce Wayne knows it; knows nobody stands a chance except the really bad badass counter-revolutionary, and he means to be a mean one, ie., successful. The Bat-man versus all the good guys, all the bad guys– and we still haven’t seen any of the wacko bad guys (have we? don’t remember…hmmm). It’s Sin City in capes and tights! Still unclear why he’s chosen to include a kid-sidekick; says he’s had his eye on this kid for a long time, already. Wonder if they’ll tell us why. Meantime, sometime next year, there’ll be another issue to kick around.

    Matt

  68. Chuck Fiala says:

    I liked it, even thinking it was worth the wait. As mentioned here by others, Frank Miller’s Batman rings true. He’s a rich guy, who puts on a very odd costume and goes out in the middle of the night looking for trouble in a wild, customized automobile. I don’t expect sanity out of such a character.

    The Wonder Woman presented here also works. She’s been taught to be a warrior woman and not to trust the world of men. Miller writes her that way.

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