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Brent Frankenhoff
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 | Posted: 2/14/2006 12:42:32 PM |
Marvel has announced additional delays for the final issue of Daredevil: Father, from its originally re-solicited shipping date of December 28 to April 12. Marvel had earlier rescheduled the issue to ship February 15.
The six-issue mini-series, which began in 2004 with only the first issue shipping, was rescheduled in mid-2005 to begin again that August. A "Director's Cut" reprint of that earlier first issue shipped August 3, with the long-awaited second issue shipping Aug. 31. Issue #3 shipped Sept. 21 with #4 following Nov. 9 and #5 shipping Dec. 29.
The mini-series is written and illustrated by Marvel Editor in Chief Joe Quesada and each issue retails for $2.99.
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 4/4/2006 1:36:39 PM |
And, now it's been rescheduled to May 10, according to the latest Diamond Dateline.
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 5/2/2006 10:23:52 AM |
The latest scheduling updates now have it coming out June 21.
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Michael Tierney
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| Posted: 5/2/2006 11:19:30 AM |
I hate to sound cynical, but at this point, it really doesn't matter when this chronically late title finishes.
When people can't remember what happened in the last issue, because it was so long ago, the sales going to be non-existant.
I've learned my lesson from the lateness of Spider-Man Black Cat. I'd cut my orders by half of the original numbers, and I still have big stacks of the later issues. Whenever Marval does this Final Order Cutoff on DD:F #6, I'm going to slash the numbers even deeper.
If anyone out there still wants to read this title, be sure to tell your retailer. I doubt that I'm the only one who's going to be cutting numbers down to adjust for lateness.
Speed kills? Naw. Lateness Kills... comics.
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Michael Tierney
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| Posted: 5/2/2006 11:19:35 AM |
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Gary Dunaier
Posts: 548
| Posted: 5/3/2006 12:41:54 AM |
Silly question, and I'm sure I'm not the first person to ask it:
When it comes to limited series, why can't publishers wait until they have all issues in-house before they solicit the first one?
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:11:32 AM |
That's a good question, Gary. In some cases, it has to do with paying the creator(s). There are cases where at least three issues have to be completed before the first ships.
And, of course, longtime fans are familiar with the old "fill-in" issue of reprints or the "inking by diverse hands" options.
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sroman
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 11:41:21 AM |
>>In some cases, it has to do with paying the creator(s). There are cases where at least three issues have to be completed before the first ships.<<
But in this case, you have a miniseries written and drawn by the EDITOR IN CHIEF of the company. There's really no good excuse for this lateness.
Unfortunately, this attitude of "it'll come when it comes" is becoming fairly commonplace in the comics industry. DC has its share of problems, but Marvel's behavior is positively abusive to fans--and it starts at the top. In one of those "Joe Friday" interviews at Newsarama a few weeks back, Quesada was asked why "Young Avengers" was going on a bi-monthly (if even that) schedule. The response (I'm paraphrasing) was that writer Alan Heinman (sp?) was a very busy guy with his Hollywood commitments and YA wasn't at the immediate top of his list of projects. When asked why another writer couldn't take over to put the series on a better schedule, Quesada commented that Heinman was the ONLY writer for YA, and fans would just have to wait for each issue to come around and understand the circumstances.
Then there's the Kevin Smith debacle. At least the Black Cat miniseries was completed (three years later). That Daredevil/Bullseye mini never was--you know, the one that was supposed to come out BEFORE the Daredevil movie--and whenever Smith is asked about its status, his response is "Don't ask."
I remember an interview with Bob Schreck a few years ago, when he hired Smith to revive Green Arrow. He knew of Smith's tortoise-like reputation even then, and refused to schedule the first issue until he had the first half-dozen or so scripts in hand. Too bad DC didn't take that attitude when they hired Heinman to relaunch Wonder Woman--I'm sure it'll start falling behind schedule before the third issue hits.
The problem, IMO, is that the companies are more interested in tripping over themselves in their obvious attempts to court Hollywood than in treating their fans (i.e., the consumers) with respect, and are willing to swallow a lot of crap from their marquee names and say "Thank you, sir. May I have another?" Hell, it seems these days you can't be a writer at Marvel unless you've worked in television, movies, or theatre. It was bad enough when you had publishers willing to put up with slow, schedule-killing artists, but now they can't even get their WRITERS to hand in assignments on time. 'Cause, you know, they're very busy people.
So, is it a surprise that "Father" is late? Of course not. Quesada has set the example for ignoring fan and retailer demands that Marvel produce on time by accepting his freelance employees' work whenever it rolls in. Why should he be expected to go against what's become company policy by delivering his own on time?
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 6/14/2006 8:54:42 AM |
And, as the edited title of this thread indicates, it's been delayed once again, now to July 12, 2006.
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 7/26/2006 11:30:21 AM |
Another month, another delay: Now it's scheduled for Aug. 23, 2006.
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 7/26/2006 11:32:52 AM |
Steve Roman wrote:
>>Too bad DC didn't take that attitude when they hired Heinman to relaunch Wonder Woman--I'm sure it'll start falling behind schedule before the third issue hits.
And your prediction has come true Steve, as DC has rescheduled both #2 and #3 to Aug. 9 and Sept. 13, respectively, from their previous ship dates of July 26 and Aug. 23.
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 8/8/2006 2:11:42 PM |
And, to add to the fun, now Wonder Woman #2 has been rescheduled to Sept. 27 while #3 is rescheduled to Oct. 11.
A discussion in the office led me to look up a couple of interesting tidbits. One of the running jokes in the industry about delayed issues was the final few issues of Camelot 3000 where, after starting in late 1982, took until early 1985 to finish the 12-issue series. Going by cover dates, only two issues (#10 and #11) were published in 1984, with #10 cover-dated March and #11 cover-dated July. The final issue was cover-dated April 1985, giving it a roughly 10-month delay between issues.
If it ever does come out, Daredevil: Father #6 will easily exceed that as it's already 18 months late from its originally resolicited shipping date of February 2005.
The cover date thing can backfire, however, if the publisher or creator chooses to ignore such things. On paper, Kevin Smith's run on Daredevil would appear to have been monthly by the indicias, but the issues didn't come out that often. The problem was readjusted with David Mack's first issue, #9, which was dated December 1999 after Smith's final issue, #8, was dated July 1999.
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Maggie Thompson
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| Posted: 8/9/2006 9:12:11 AM |
Somewhere in the vast piles of photos in CBG's boxes and boxes of reference material is a photo I took when Don and I attended Tony Isabella's wedding to The Sainted Barb. This was in the midst of the Camelot 3000 delays.
We ended up hanging around a mall with Camelot 3000 writer Mike Barr -- and discovered a lighted ad sign for a housing development that carried the caption, "There will never be another Camelot." It was a photo opportunity not to be missed, and I got a lovely shot of a smiling Barr pointing to the sign.
But do keep in mind that that series, at least, wrapped up. Let's keep our fingers crossed about current delayed series.
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Michael Tierney
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| Posted: 8/10/2006 2:41:03 PM |
"A discussion in the office led me to look up a couple of interesting tidbits. One of the running jokes in the industry about delayed issues was the final few issues of Camelot 3000 where, after starting in late 1982, took until early 1985 to finish the 12-issue series. Going by cover dates, only two issues (#10 and #11) were published in 1984, with #10 cover-dated March and #11 cover-dated July. The final issue was cover-dated April 1985, giving it a roughly 10-month delay between issues."
Yeah... we're really getting back into ancient history now.
But I was retailing back then, so here's a RETRO-MARKET REPORT for the values of Camelot #1, in conjunction to the above information.
Camelot 3000 was a huge direct market success. By the time #10 had shipped, the hard-to-find #1 had shot up to $15.00 (remember... that's in 1982 money)!
By the time Camelot 3000 #12 did finally ship, #1 was a hard sell at a $1.50.
So time may march on, but some lessons remain true. Late books kill collector's interest!
But some things change. At least I don't have to ride a dinosaur into work anymore! And I sure like where I'm living now. No more having to listen every morning to my neighbor shout "Yabba-dabba-do!"
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Gary Dunaier
Posts: 548
| Posted: 8/11/2006 1:51:13 AM |
According to The Inflation Calculator, $15.00 in 1982 money is equivalent to $30.43 in 2005 money.
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 8/16/2006 9:50:21 AM |
Back to the original topic of this thread, Daredevil: Father #6 has been ... wait for it ... rescheduled to Sept. 27 from its previously announced Aug. 23.
For more rescheduling fun, click here.
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sroman
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| Posted: 8/16/2006 9:16:16 PM |
>>And, to add to the fun, now Wonder Woman #2 has been rescheduled to Sept. 27 while #3 is rescheduled to Oct. 11.<<
A frickin' psychic, that's what I am! ;-) However, it had already been confirmed in a way in an interview with Jodi Percoult (sp?), the novelist taking over after Heinman's run. She mentioned she was starting with WW #6, which was coming out in March. But if WW1 launched in July '06 and the book was supposed to be a monthly, why would issue 6 be scheduled for March '07 instead of December '06...?
Ahhh. Obviously because Heinman's work on GREY'S ANATOMY obliterated his delivery schedule to DC right out of the gate. Nice goin', fella.
The same happened with the writer for Marvel's ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS. HULK--he's busy overseeing LOST. I think three issues came out; Joe Quesada says you'll have to wait for the balance when the guy will "write them all in one sitting."
Should be stellar work...
As for DD: FATHER, it's good to see that Quesada is standing firm with his decision to treat his self-appointed projects as a hobby and not as a professional commitment to the major corporation for which he works. Can't wait to see that Spider-Man miniseries he and Joe Straczynski are scheduled to work on (as announced, I believe, at this past San Diego Con)...in 2020.
And with Tuesday's announcement about the CIVIL WAR delays, Marvel's fast and loose attitude about talent deliveries has finally bitten them on the butt. It's kinda funny watching the fan reaction over at the Newsarama boards, and now that CV editor Tom Brevoort has stoked the flames even higher with a snarky response (e.g., Why use a fill-in artist to help out Steve McNiven meet his deadlines? Don't you know fill-in artists stink?), it could be a sitcom. I think there's some room for it on the MyNetwork fall schedule...
Y'know, if Marvel wanted to act like a *real* publishing house they'd impose fines for late deliveries. Every book contract I've signed as an author (and mailed out to authors as an editor) factors in penalties because your lateness is costing your employer (the publisher) money.
Or maybe they should just wait until the first three issues are in house before they solicit such a major project. But that's crazy talk, right?
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 8/29/2006 10:19:21 AM |
Actually, Steve, what Brevoort said was that putting fill-in artists on a high-profile series like Civil War sucks. He meant that the act of replacing the artist with a substitute sucked, not that the substitute themselves did.
And, to put this thread sorta back on topic, there is a potential ray of hope for Daredevil: Father. Marvel had scheduled the hardcover collection of the series for Oct. 11 and has now rescheduled it for Dec. 13. So, that would indicate that #6 should be done this year.
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Mr. Silver Age
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| Posted: 8/30/2006 8:40:08 AM |
>>Marvel had scheduled the hardcover collection of the series for Oct. 11 and has now rescheduled it for Dec. 13. So, that would indicate that #6 should be done this year.<<
Um, it seems to indicate that in the same way that rescheduling the last issue to be done the previous December 28th meant it would be out in 2005. I don't see why anyone would pay attention to any scheduling they provide at this point. That day gets near, and they bump it a few more months. Who knows, maybe the horse will sing by then.* Are you taking bets on whether you are reading this book on Dec. 14?
All it really means is that as soon as those fans who stuck with the book through thick and lots of thin receive their final issue, the fans who held off and didn't have to search for the book each week will be able to buy the collected edition immediately. Whenever that day comes.
I can't imagine why anyone would buy the individual issues of a mini-series these days. Wait for the trade. That way, if they lose interest in publishing the mini, the reader isn't stuck. And if as a result the sales aren't high enough to finish the series or create a trade, well, hey, that's what happens when you treat your job like a hobby.
BTW, if a series is solicited as "1 of 6," and #3 is never published, shouldn't the first two be returnable because they were not produced as solicited? And shouldn't the readers be allowed to return the issues, too? Seems that way to me.
* Old joke: A wizard has screwed up badly, and the king is going to execute him. But the wizard says that if the king spares his life for one week, he will teach the king's prized horse to sing. Everyone is impressed, and the king has the wizard taken to the stable and prepares to hold a concert in a week. But the stable master says, "You're a fraud! Nobody can make a horse sing!" The wizard puts his feet up on a post and says, "No, they can't, but I have another week to live. And who knows? Maybe in a week, the horse will sing."
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 9/19/2006 9:10:30 AM |
And the latest Diamond Dateline has Daredevil: Father #6 now rescheduled to Nov. 15, 2006.
Wonder Woman #3 is now rescheduled to Oct. 11. The series has also been turned into a bimonthly.
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Brent Frankenhoff
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| Posted: 11/14/2006 9:48:54 AM |
Apparently the latest shipping update stayed on schedule with Diamond's confirmed shipping list for Nov. 15 showing Daredevil: Father #6.
The hardcover collection has bumped a week to Dec. 20.
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